Tiburon Subsea - A Mission to Democratise Ocean Data
In this episode, we talk to Tim Taylor, Founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea, a company that’s been developing highly innovative Hovering Autonomous Underwater Vehicles to help democratise ocean data.
We discuss his 30-year career in marine exploration, the development of the JETTE™ propulsion system, his inspiring work finding lost submarines and the future of underwater autonomous vehicles.
Find out more: https://tiburonsubsea.com
Production, Design & Artwork: Hiatus.Digital
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00:00:01 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Hi, welcome to the Future Frontiers podcast from millilux.io.
00:00:05 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
In this episode, we talk to Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea, a company that's been developing highly innovative hovering autonomous underwater vehicles to help democratize ocean data.
00:00:16 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
We discuss his 30-year career in marine exploration, the future of the jet propulsion system, his inspiring work finding lost submarines, and the future of underwater autonomous vehicles.
00:00:38 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Thank you so much for joining us on the Mililux podcast.
00:00:40 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
How are you doing in Sudden, New York right now?
00:00:43 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Doing great, doing great.
00:00:44 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We're a little hot this summer, but we're muscling through it.
00:00:50 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Very cool.
00:00:50 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
We're here in Northern Europe at the moment, and it's a fairly balmy 27 degrees, which actually is warm for this part of the world.
00:01:02 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I'm married to a polar explorer, so if we had our druthers, we would be, you know, we'd be in the high Arctic with a husky and hanging out.
00:01:14 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
That's very cool.
00:01:14 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I think you probably qualify as the most adventurous tech founder I think we've had on the podcast so far.
00:01:20 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
So I'm just going to say thank you so much for giving up your time just to kind of share part of your inspirational journey.
00:01:25 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I appreciate it.
00:01:26 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
And also a lot of these really cool kind of technical stories about how this fascinating product has come to life because there's so many dimensions to it that I did in the research.
00:01:36 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
So I was like, there's lots of different avenues I could go down.
00:01:39 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
So I'm going to struggle to keep myself
00:01:41 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
down to under an hour.
00:01:44 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
No, you suffer the same thing as a CEO, as I suffer as a CEO, is very excited about the technology, with so much potential, and I can go all over the place with it, so I'll try to stay focused as well today for you.
00:01:57 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Very cool, great.
00:02:00 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Well, I guess, can you kick us off and just tell us what inspired you to build Turbo and Subsea and develop this technology, because it really is
00:02:09 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Fascinating stuff.
00:02:10 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Well, as you covered a little earlier, we may get into it later in the podcast, I'm an ocean explorer by nature.
00:02:16 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I owned and operated a research exploration business, vessels.
00:02:22 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So I would charter and run all sorts of different research projects my whole life.
00:02:26 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So I was always lifting up rocks and looking underneath them, looking over the horizon, diving reefs that have been dive, pushing to go deeper.
00:02:34 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You know, I
00:02:37 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I met my wife.
00:02:39 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
She ran high Arctic and deep water rebreather expeditions, and I was running support with my boat down in the Caribbean.
00:02:47 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And so, she chartered me, and that's how we wound up meeting.
00:02:51 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So the exploration was always the driving, need to know, understand, curiosity, the whole thing that, you know, the cliche of being an explorer.
00:03:04 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But really,
00:03:06 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
we were always on the cutting edge of technology, whether it was digital cameras or it was, closed circuit rebooters.
00:03:14 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We're diving mixed gases at depth.
00:03:16 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So getting into robotics, if you're an ocean explorer, it was obviously a thing.
00:03:22 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we did that.
00:03:23 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We supported all sorts of different robotic work for the Navy and for different science and research projects.
00:03:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And I mean, we were diving 20 years ago now.
00:03:35 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
the deepest coral reef in continental United States.
00:03:41 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So it's like 250 to 300 feet deep.
00:03:44 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we were the divers that were called because the government and the universities weren't allowed to use the technology at the time.
00:03:52 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we were able to go out and, we were called the, we were kind of like the hired guns to take it and go do
00:04:02 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
deep water research.
00:04:03 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So I find myself in the middle of the ocean with my team diving at 250 feet, mapping and deepest photosynthetic coral in our continent and driving around with Sylvia Earle and her sub and picking stuff up and putting it in the box.
00:04:21 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So that's the kind of stuff we evolve from.
00:04:24 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So getting into robotics,
00:04:25 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Was our next step, and that vision of opening up the oceans and exploring it and making it available was always kind of our underlying ethos, so we...
00:04:37 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
whether it was going deeper or diving the mixed gases or bringing, digital photography or doing underwater mosaics and assembling them early on.
00:04:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Those were all, you have to have the hardware, you have to have the training, you have to have the men.
00:04:51 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You can't go to war without putting some guys in the field.
00:04:53 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And if we use that analogy, we're the divers and the boat and the support.
00:04:59 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We would have this beautiful, unique liveaboard vessel that we would take out and
00:05:06 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
and take all sorts of different disciplines, whether they were biologists or working with sharks or EPA working on deep coral or even the Navy testing equipment.
00:05:15 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We were the support team.
00:05:16 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So I got to learn a lot of things from a lot of different disciplines.
00:05:21 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And it kind of all comes together later in life and our vision to build a better, a big company that can
00:05:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
bring data to the masses.
00:05:33 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
The technology is great.
00:05:34 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You can't get your hands on it.
00:05:36 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So your question was basically where'd the vision come from?
00:05:39 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
The vision came from a lifetime of wanting to learn more and see more and working with the very smart people that were studying things and then us helping them because oftentimes they didn't have the skill sets to go do the things they needed to and they needed guys like us and we were that skill set.
00:05:59 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Fascinating.
00:06:00 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It was a great journey.
00:06:02 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Wow, I mean, there's loads of things to unpack there because obviously you working with many different disciplines would obviously, you'd probably learn one thing from one discipline, be able to apply it into another discipline, then all of a sudden I'm guessing you're building up this picture and seeing these trends emerge where actually there's, obviously you mentioned data as well, and if you excuse the pun, bringing data to the surface in some respects of
00:06:28 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
for all these different disciplines, you can see the gap where there's, and obviously you know the difficulties of working so far underwater and obviously all the challenges that come with that.
00:06:38 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
You're probably the most informed, I'd imagine, people that can develop the platform to help make this happen.
00:06:47 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Yeah, in a nutshell, it's simply
00:06:52 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
by being someone that went into the water and had to deal with everything and all the facets of being underwater, you have a much, an understanding at a different level of how things work in the ocean and how hard it is to find stuff or how hard it is to do certain things.
00:07:06 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And if you want to teach a machine how to do something and you've done it yourself, you've trudged through the currents, you've tried to find stuff underwater, you know how big of an ocean it is and how three-dimensional it is, you know how the,
00:07:18 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's a bath of saltwater ocean that affects all your equipment.
00:07:21 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You know all this stuff intuitively because you lived it for decades.
00:07:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
When you're trying to send robots to do it, you have a better understanding.
00:07:32 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And then when my team started deploying these robots and we bought 'em ourselves and we started running 'em, it was like, wow, we were field guys, all right?
00:07:42 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So think about it as
00:07:45 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
The first thing we're doing is taking their stuff and going, well, that ain't going to work and throwing that out, tweaking that and adjusting it and hardening it, making it so it works in the field the way it's supposed to.
00:07:57 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And kudos to the guys in the lab and MIT and the guys that put it all together in this tech and evolved it, but they evolved it in their own bubble and we were implementing it in the field.
00:08:08 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So that's
00:08:11 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
how I got into that journey.
00:08:12 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It wasn't like, go to college to do this.
00:08:15 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
This wasn't a field when we started.
00:08:16 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
This wasn't a discipline.
00:08:17 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Robots, autonomous robots, really didn't exist in the underwater world.
00:08:24 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we went down the path of running them and going, wow, we can fix this.
00:08:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we had a lot of good ideas and traveled that path.
00:08:34 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Well, just thinking there, it's almost like you're the perfect kind of R&D
00:08:39 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
people to be that should be involved in the labs in those early days, where they were obviously developing the platforms, and you could say, That ain't gonna work, that's gonna either get out of salt water, that's gonna get broken or eaten, or...
00:08:49 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we did, and we did.
00:08:51 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We beta tested everybody's stuff.
00:08:53 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We were the ones fixing code.
00:08:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
If there was a problem with their machine, we inevitably would find it in an operational situation.
00:09:01 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And I guess that, you know, nothing's ready for prime time.
00:09:04 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
This is, you got to get them out and they work, and I understand that.
00:09:06 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But a lot of their operators were just, you know,
00:09:09 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Send them back, this doesn't work, it's broken.
00:09:10 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we would be going, we were the only ones allowed to crack into some of these systems.
00:09:16 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
On three different manufacturers, we were able to break into their main equipment housing, we would pull into their INSs and look at, which is only done in the factory because they trusted us because we were helping them refine their product.
00:09:34 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I should have paid for that instead of paying them but...
00:09:36 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So that's why we started the business.
00:09:42 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We started doing it for ourselves instead of a little capitalized on.
00:09:49 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Some of that knowledge.
00:09:50 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I mean 100% because it's obviously these platforms now have got so many uses and you know that's something we'll definitely dive into in a future question.
00:10:03 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, I think I've been looking for the website and I've done the research and I think it's fascinating just how many different applications these things, these platforms can be used for and how much kind of time they save, money they save, how much fresh data they can obviously gather, how much, you know, just the uses to them just seemed endless.
00:10:24 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I think also as well is I like to take it a step further and always think, if it's been pressure tested underwater in one of the most savage places on Earth and it's going to work in space, with obviously a bit of adapters.
00:10:36 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Excuse me, go off on a tangent there.
00:10:38 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Yes, so as far as your space is concerned, it's harder to do things underwater than it is in space.
00:10:43 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And I know a lot of people will argue with that, but
00:10:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
once you overcome the G-force of putting your satellite and your equipment in space, there's not a lot up there that's going to do a lot of damage to it in any massive way.
00:10:54 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
In the ocean, it's pressure.
00:10:56 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You're right.
00:10:57 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's salinity, it's corrosion, it's biofouling.
00:11:02 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's, you know, there are, there's traffic out there.
00:11:05 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
There's things that could hit it when it's on the surface.
00:11:08 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And it needs maintenance on a regular basis.
00:11:11 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we're not sending people up there.
00:11:12 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I know you can jump up and fix the Hubble telescope with a big mission.
00:11:17 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But really, you got to maintain these and service these.
00:11:21 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's like an airplane.
00:11:22 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's got to land and you got to tweak it and make sure it's ready to go for the next mission.
00:11:28 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And that mission may be a six-month mission or an 8-month mission, but eventually it still has to come in and shop.
00:11:33 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Yeah.
00:11:35 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
100%.
00:11:36 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It is a harsh environment.
00:11:38 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But, we're exploring for life in space, and there's so much life in the oceans that, we start there.
00:11:48 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Everything we apply here, we can apply to the moons of Jupiter and Saturn to look for life, because we'll be using autonomous underwater robots if we explore those ice-covered oceans.
00:12:01 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, totally.
00:12:02 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I mean, you understand just how much, how little we know about the world's oceans right now.
00:12:06 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
There's obviously like a whole process of things to go through to help obviously develop these platforms even further, obviously, for using other environments.
00:12:15 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
But there was a, I would just kind of jump in and kind of just ask if there's a kind of a turning point or an aha moment when you're developing your Jet platform.
00:12:27 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
And that's the.
00:12:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So, as we said earlier, we came out with all this, you know, let's make it better, okay?
00:12:35 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And most of that was based out of need for performance.
00:12:38 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So essentially, the low logistics systems, we call low logistics, you know, three to 500 meter systems, 300 feet depth and man launchable.
00:12:48 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You and I can put it in the back of a truck, throw it in the water with a laptop and make it work.
00:12:52 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we're focused on that at the time and the making them
00:12:58 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
work longer, simple, battery life.
00:13:01 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So as soon as you extend the batteries in these things, you typically wind up extending the vehicle.
00:13:06 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Once it gets to a certain length and it's being stern driven with the control planes, basically fins and rudders, and it hits a wave in the front or a car or something disturbs it,
00:13:20 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
it becomes unstable and it takes some time to get stabilized because it's staring from the back and you wind up dolphining up and down until it seeks.
00:13:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And now your main sensor package is collecting imaging with sound.
00:13:35 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's like a long-term exposure on a camera and any movement that's not level or steady creates a blurry
00:13:43 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
non-usable image or an image that at least has to go through massive post-processing and guesswork to try to show what you got.
00:13:50 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we were just trying to extend our first step, extend the life of the battery by extending the vehicle.
00:14:00 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we just looked at it becoming unstable and we said, why don't we just do a front-wheel drive and pull it through the water?
00:14:06 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Okay, it's like pulling a rope instead of pushing a rope.
00:14:09 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And then the logic
00:14:11 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Putting it down on paper.
00:14:12 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I'm not an engineer, right?
00:14:14 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I'm just an ops guy running this stuff and I guess if I Somewhere I probably got that degree in the long term of doing all this work and paying people twisting wrenches with them, but the whole concept was Okay, it pulls it forward and we alleviated
00:14:36 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
the control planes.
00:14:38 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Okay, so that's another big factor.
00:14:40 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And then we threw it on the backside as well.
00:14:43 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we basically turned it into a hovering vehicle.
00:14:48 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And it has no protrusions to break.
00:14:52 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I mean, the systems I'm using in the Pacific right now, the propellers, it's a big system, but the propellers are 30 grand a piece, 30,000 US dollars.
00:15:00 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So, you know, the smaller systems are
00:15:04 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Not as expensive, but they add up when you keep knocking off fins and props, which is easy to do on the deck, in the water, picking it up.
00:15:12 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So it's solved a lot of problems.
00:15:14 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And this one elegant design with only two thrusters.
00:15:17 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
This is the biggest thing, or that thing.
00:15:19 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It usually got a hovering system.
00:15:22 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We're not the first to invent a hovering AUV, but a hovering AUV, autonomous underwater vehicle,
00:15:27 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Usually it was 6 to 8 thrusters to make it go sideways, up and down, all over the place.
00:15:34 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And all that eats up energy, eats up vehicle space, so you can't put your payloads and your sensors in, or as many.
00:15:42 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we were able to do it with two thrusters.
00:15:45 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We increase the speed, triple the speed of the vehicle.
00:15:51 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It allows it to
00:15:53 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
working 5 degrees of freedom.
00:15:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
The 6 full degrees, we can do 5 right now.
00:15:57 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We got a plan to do 6, but it is, it can go sideways, up and down, all over the place.
00:16:05 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And the value it brings, it's like creating a platform now that so many other users can.
00:16:11 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
put an application or a use case for it.
00:16:13 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And whether it's scanning or hovering to do photogrammetry or stopping in the middle of a mission and running a mag survey and going closer, it can take all the new emerging AI and control evolution that's happening with robotics and implement it because it can do more.
00:16:35 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And it's in a torpedo shape.
00:16:39 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
and it doesn't have anything that breaks.
00:16:40 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we've done, one, we've made a much more functional vehicle.
00:16:43 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We can make it last longer underwater because we can just keep adding batteries.
00:16:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
As long as we're symmetrical and we add them, it stays stable and push it.
00:16:52 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
just sits there.
00:16:54 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And it can go faster.
00:16:56 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So when we're working in currents, it can, when it needed, it can get out of its own way or it can run upstream to run a dive.
00:17:03 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
There's been dive planes where we've had to go pick it up, run it up river, drop it.
00:17:08 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
pick it up, run it up river drop, because it can't get back upstream without just burning all its power out.
00:17:14 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Yeah, So the Navy's looking at it for torpedo tube launch and recovery.
00:17:20 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They have a massive need to be able to successfully send robots out, collect data, and recover them.
00:17:26 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Because if you don't recover them, you can't get the data back.
00:17:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They don't transmit data through the ocean.
00:17:35 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Not well.
00:17:35 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So you want to recover them.
00:17:36 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So if the Navy can't bring them back in the tube, then all for naught.
00:17:41 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And when you're dropping $7 million robots out the tube, you want to try to get most of them back, I guess.
00:17:46 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, and obviously it leaves obviously senses that you've been there.
00:17:50 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
But I was just thinking as well is it's such a good approach to engineering though, because obviously if you think you've got less things to break, you've got less cost involved with extra
00:18:03 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
parts which then need to be replaced or can degrade over time.
00:18:08 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
it takes more engineering know-how to know how to service a more complex thing.
00:18:12 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
So, actually, simplicity has got its own quality.
00:18:14 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
It's my personal perspective.
00:18:16 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Simplicity is a far better quality than having complexity, because complexity actually is a, you know, compounding thing, isn't it, where actually you've got a few more things means, you know, several.
00:18:31 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So that's funny.
00:18:32 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
When you look at this industry, it's designed around boat time.
00:18:36 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
The most expensive proposition in sending a ship offshore is to ship and it's crew to run it.
00:18:42 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Fuel, et cetera.
00:18:43 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So you got a ship that's out to sea at whatever, $7,500,000 a day.
00:18:49 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And you can only tow one vehicle because when you're towing, that's all you can tow.
00:18:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Or can you launch five of these things and while you're doing it,
00:19:01 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
you're using less men, you're losing less power, you're collecting more data.
00:19:05 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And the big factor with Ocean Work is you have 30 days, you probably have 10 or 12 days that you can actually work because of conditions.
00:19:13 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So you want to really take advantage of that limited time.
00:19:17 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So really what we're doing with multiple vehicles deployed on a job is
00:19:24 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
is 1, saving ships time, which is a whole lot of money and we're making it more efficient because of all the reasons you just stated.
00:19:30 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It is important to look at the big picture when you're looking at robotics and how you apply them and where the savings come across.
00:19:42 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And the data is so much better, so much better.
00:19:45 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:19:46 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
And obviously you get more complete pictures, so therefore you don't have to spend as many days out, on the ocean in the environment there, which again is just magnitude of cost.
00:19:57 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Well, also, these guys are locked to the bottom.
00:19:59 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They don't have surface effect.
00:20:00 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So when the ship goes up and down on a towed array, it...
00:20:03 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
it pulls the line and the vehicle goes off and has to be adjusted and the data is corrupted a little bit.
00:20:10 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So probably fixable, but costs money to fix.
00:20:13 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Where the vehicles go down and they just get away, what's happening on the surface is no concern to them.
00:20:18 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They just drive around the bottom.
00:20:19 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:20:23 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Well, it does get me on to kind of my next question, which I think you've partially answered already.
00:20:29 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
So what limitations are there in traditional
00:20:33 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
there's autonomous underwater vehicles.
00:20:36 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
And I guess, how did you set out to solve them with your platforms, your jet platform?
00:20:43 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
That's A two-fold question.
00:20:45 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And our technology solves a host of things.
00:20:49 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We're not, we don't feel that we're the, first of all, we think it'll revolutionize the way vehicles are built and run because of its efficiencies, because it can do more and it can function more and run a whole bunch of different payloads.
00:21:02 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
That being said, it may not be for everybody.
00:21:04 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
The traditional stern driven propeller, there's always a place for them.
00:21:08 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
There's always a place for a club in the bag if you want to run a golf analogy, right?
00:21:13 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Not every club is good for the right thing.
00:21:16 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But our business plan really evolves around
00:21:22 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Creating access, all right?
00:21:23 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So building these vehicles and building technology, and we're talking about the thruster today and the patents we got on that, but in our long-term vision is to democratize the ocean.
00:21:35 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
If your cellular phone revolutionized access to the world and the internet at your fingertips, but it costs $250,000, how many people would have them?
00:21:49 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So this is where we find the industry suffers is the technology is there.
00:21:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's pricey.
00:21:57 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
No one is really established as the mainstay of a commercial market because they're not long around long enough.
00:22:07 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They always keep changing hands and they always wind up pivoting back to the military where their big money is.
00:22:13 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So commercial industry isn't supported
00:22:16 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
with a solid manufacturer putting out technology that's available.
00:22:20 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And rightfully so.
00:22:22 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Most of these operations that run underwater surveys are smaller companies that contract to larger companies.
00:22:32 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And for them to drop that kind of money into vehicle technology,
00:22:36 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
that may not be around in two years or you need to buy three of them because rev one breaks you need a backup and then you need a hanger queen for robbing parts.
00:22:47 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You know, you're not getting market penetration.
00:22:51 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
There's no vehicles in the commercial market.
00:22:54 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
that we're looking at.
00:22:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we want to supply that.
00:22:56 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We have a plan in place to launch, not this year, but next year, our initial fleet of vehicles that our clients can use and rent, we train, and we will solve those barriers of entry.
00:23:09 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we know that from being those operators.
00:23:12 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We encountered every one of these single barriers of entry.
00:23:15 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
In fact, we went out in order to
00:23:20 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
to find these barriers.
00:23:21 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We bought machines and we went out with the sole purpose of running them around the world and saying, one, will people pay for this?
00:23:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Will people want this service?
00:23:30 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Will people want these robots?
00:23:31 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And 2.
00:23:33 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
what are the problems?
00:23:34 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
What are the things we gotta help make it easier for these guys and de-risk it for the end user?
00:23:41 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Because ultimately, what they want is the data that comes out of it.
00:23:45 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we have a solution, a platform business, and that's what we're having, a platform business that introduces technology and makes it available.
00:23:53 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Now, eventually it could be somebody else's technology as well.
00:23:56 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We are very proud of our work, but if someone comes up with a payload for our systems that is solving our problem, we're all over putting it on
00:24:03 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
and make it available to our customer base.
00:24:05 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And that's the people we're servicing.
00:24:08 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So it's about, I think, creating the new technology, making it, hardening it, and then getting it in the hands of the people that actually are out there doing the work.
00:24:19 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we came from that, that's our DNA.
00:24:22 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, fantastic.
00:24:23 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I love that kind of values-driven
00:24:26 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
sort of mission-driven approach to things because it's very similar to my own kind of experiences as well you know I think it's one of the best ways to build something that doesn't exist yet actually is to make it from experience and find those gaps and rather than trying to make it in a lab and then start to design it downwards.
00:24:50 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
This is the future, I mean if you're going to if you're going to
00:24:56 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
be a data-driven society, which everybody, data, data, data, all the investment groups, you're out there and everybody wants to create some kind of software that mines data that has 70% margins and they make a fortune.
00:25:09 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But ultimately, you've got to send a satellite into space to collect the data.
00:25:13 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Someone's got to build it and put it out there.
00:25:15 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Ultimately, you have to build it.
00:25:17 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
build a car and put it on the road if you're going to crowdsource Uber and ride sharing.
00:25:23 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
There's a hardware element and there's a, we like to call it hardware, software, and meatware.
00:25:28 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We have to have a meatware element.
00:25:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Our guys, our trained professional guys that are doing this need access to these tools to go out and do it.
00:25:34 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we think that we have an extremely elegant solution.
00:25:39 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We are currently working with one, several defense primes to
00:25:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
to move this and to develop this for the Navy, which empowers us to turn and pivot to our commercial applications as well, simultaneously.
00:25:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we're all excited about the path we're on.
00:25:59 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Brilliant, fantastic.
00:26:01 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
So it does get me on to my next question then.
00:26:04 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
So obviously you've come there with a core team of field guys and real experience in the,
00:26:12 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
in the maritime environment.
00:26:14 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
But how do you find the skills and the things to bring it into like an actual platform as well?
00:26:20 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Like how do you go from obviously from field knowledge to actually engineering, technical?
00:26:25 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's a good question because that evolved as well.
00:26:30 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Over the course of time, my operations and exploration team evolved to include that kind of skill set 'cause we were always fixing stuff in the field, always improving stuff.
00:26:43 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We have a manufacturing partner that we work with that I've built robots with them for years.
00:26:51 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So it wasn't a let's go out, find someone that can build this.
00:26:54 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I've built ROVs, I've built systems.
00:26:57 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I've actually built shark cages with the team for filming and great white shark experiences off the Farallon Islands and things like that.
00:27:07 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So they're a longstanding
00:27:10 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
group that we've worked with.
00:27:12 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They also, their founder is a National Geographic Explorer in Residence.
00:27:18 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They build submersibles, they build, they do a lot of stuff that they had the skill set.
00:27:25 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we basically set up shop in an arm of their manufacturing plant.
00:27:31 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We're independent, we're our own thing, but we have
00:27:35 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They're already in place, so building this stuff, it wasn't as big a lift.
00:27:39 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
The engineering and patent processing, we did that all ourselves.
00:27:44 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We hired good attorneys and developed the technology.
00:27:50 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
brought in a little bit of investment and built prototypes and tested them out.
00:27:57 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You got to realize there's risk here, and when we thought of the idea, we were like, okay, let's check and see if anybody's done this, because we didn't, we thought someone would have patented this.
00:28:09 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And no, it's amazing, it didn't.
00:28:11 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So these are little milestone steps on the process of how do you get there.
00:28:15 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's like, okay, well, let's delve into designing the thing and putting a patent in place.
00:28:20 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And then once we applied for the patent, it was logical.
00:28:23 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Next step is to build a prototype and start testing it in the tanks.
00:28:26 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So that's what we did.
00:28:27 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And so we're, it's an evolutionary thing.
00:28:31 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You find the people you need, you get some really good guys that you start with that have the basic knowledge, and you build.
00:28:42 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's a startup.
00:28:42 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's a startup in a sense that we're like everybody else.
00:28:47 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We've got a good idea and a good technology that can make significant changes in the way autonomous vehicles operate and improve the performance tremendously.
00:28:58 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we're gaining tremendous traction, both with the defense and commercial sides.
00:29:06 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, I think it's brilliant because it's
00:29:10 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
That kind of pushing the envelope approach to it and constantly iterating, seeing the gaps, finding the places where you can really expand and push and keep on developing this idea.
00:29:23 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
It kind of reminds me of the Royal Marines mindset in a way.
00:29:28 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
It's like you're constantly looking for those 1%
00:29:32 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
gains of how to be a bit better and as soon as you kind of have that approach to things, like well actually I can make this a bit better, I can make that a bit better and you've really kind of pushed that envelope with, you know, and I find it, I find it, you know,
00:29:48 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
It's crazy as well to think that nobody had thought of this stuff beforehand and Patson did that.
00:29:53 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I truly think that a lot of this stuff is built and we're a little bit in the same area.
00:29:59 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We've got high interest from the Defense Department and the Navy to build this technology and the funding's there.
00:30:05 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They support this kind of work.
00:30:08 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But a lot of technology comes out of defense that goes into environmental and commercial applications.
00:30:14 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And that's where we think we are.
00:30:16 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We are approached perfectly.
00:30:17 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We can monetize this invention with our current path with the DOD.
00:30:23 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But our DNA, our love is the oceans, technology, environmental issues, mapping the oceans.
00:30:31 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
The oceans, 75% of the oceans, or over 75%, have not been mapped
00:30:37 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
in any type of resolution, high def.
00:30:39 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I mean, everybody, you look at the ocean, there's mountain ranges in the middle of them.
00:30:44 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You can go out on your boat and you've got a chart that it's this deep here or there.
00:30:49 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But those are spot soundings and those are large picture stuff.
00:30:52 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
To actually see and map the stuff, you gotta go there.
00:30:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You can't take a satellite and take a picture of it from space.
00:31:01 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You got to send something down close up and you got to bring lights and you got to bring all, or in our case, we do it with sound.
00:31:07 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So it is the next frontier of exploration and it's not going to be done physically by climbing mountains, you know, as a person, we're going to be sending robots and mapping the data.
00:31:22 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And that's, there's a lot of politics involved in that.
00:31:27 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Oceans are owned by
00:31:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
everybody to a certain point, but there's exclusive economic zones, there's coastal areas, and there's defense, issues and this, but ultimately it's being done commercially by deep water oil and gas, it's being done by all sorts of other things.
00:31:43 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So it's kind of the race is on to collect data and understand our planet we live on.
00:31:53 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, I love that idea as well, like, yeah, understand the planet we live on because it is
00:31:59 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
it does make you think really deeply about it when you realise just how much the oceans don't know about what's down there, and there's obviously a lot of medical innovation, for example, comes from sea life, and a lot of the kind of hemostatic agents we use in the military came from, came from ocean.
00:32:18 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
When we were earlier, I mentioned diving a deep water reef, the deepest coral reef in the
00:32:26 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
continent in the United States.
00:32:27 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Anyway, at the depths it was at.
00:32:31 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And it was healthy.
00:32:32 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So the shallow, it had the same, the fauna in Florida, it had the same corals.
00:32:37 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They were a little bit flatter because they grew out sideways instead of up because of the way the lack of light down there.
00:32:44 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But they were healthy.
00:32:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They didn't have the diseases.
00:32:47 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They were cooler.
00:32:48 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So maybe that's the
00:32:53 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
what will replenish the shallow water reefs when the day comes kind of thing.
00:32:56 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So there's so much we don't know and there's so much studying and there's so much that needs to be continually looked at and revisited.
00:33:05 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Because, you know, when we were studying coral when I was younger, you're
00:33:11 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You're studying an ecosystem that has already been damaged, has already been overfished.
00:33:15 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You don't have a baseline of what was perfect when you started because you do, you have historical records from the 1800s where it was observational science and sketch notes.
00:33:28 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But if we had the technology today and we brought it back 300, 400 years and we've scanned the oyster bays of Chesapeake Bay and it was 100 foot visibility,
00:33:37 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We'd have a baseline to go, wow, this is, we got, we only have that in historical books and notes from the explorers.
00:33:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So it is the same thing with deep water.
00:33:50 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Let's map it.
00:33:51 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Let's find out what's out there.
00:33:52 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Let's catalog it.
00:33:53 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Let's also try to be responsible and stewards of it and answer those questions before we are doing it in retrospect and saying, wow, what did we destroy?
00:34:06 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, I mean, that's a very important point as well, isn't it?
00:34:09 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
If you don't have a baseline to work from, you can't really then measure any sense of change, can you, in terms of, the change in the environment as well?
00:34:17 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
So, actually, this is almost the first step in being those responsible stewards, like you say, of the ocean, the oceans.
00:34:25 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And I've watched that, my whole career I've watched that with the coral reefs and the Caribbean and whatnot.
00:34:30 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So, shifting baselines with people
00:34:34 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
this is so beautiful.
00:34:35 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And then, because you've been doing it for 20 something years, that it used to be a lot more beautiful.
00:34:40 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So, and it's not really healthy because it's not really coral, it's soft coral.
00:34:44 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You're not looking at hard corals.
00:34:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's that type of thing.
00:34:47 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You have to seek that knowledge and not be afraid to.
00:34:50 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
to look for it and catalog it for the future to get in.
00:34:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And robots are going to do it.
00:34:57 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Robots on our planet.
00:34:59 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
If we're looking at this industry and we're looking at the drone revolution that's flying around in the air, we're 15 years behind that.
00:35:06 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So think of what autonomous underwater vehicle, what's going to happen in the next 15 years in this industry is going to be phenomenal.
00:35:12 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So it's going to be a massive change.
00:35:20 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, I completely agree.
00:35:23 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah.
00:35:23 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
It does get into my next question.
00:35:24 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
So you're planning to launch a commercial AUV this year.
00:35:30 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
How was the process of translating it from a patent to technology into like a full scale field?
00:35:35 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we have several projects in the works.
00:35:38 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
One is to build our own vehicle, which we've designed weight and balance.
00:35:42 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But our current focus is on the thruster assembly because that is more pressing because that's our patent.
00:35:49 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And so we've actually pivoted, not pivoted, but by request of the Navy, we're working with several defense primes to integrate our system into one of theirs.
00:35:57 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we're right now talking about maybe six months from now, 6 to 8 months, we'll have a prototype in the field of testing with the Navy.
00:36:05 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Well, that's a fast track for us.
00:36:08 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We want to stay vehicle agnostic with our thruster, meaning we can build it for all sorts of different vehicles.
00:36:14 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So they can retrofit it to the ones that are already in the field and get more life out of them and turn them into a different system, as well as building forward.
00:36:22 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we're happy with that path, building our own vehicle.
00:36:28 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Really, if you took our thruster and you designed a vehicle around our thruster, it would function
00:36:34 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
probably 20 or 30% better be able to do more.
00:36:37 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
If you take an existing vehicle out there and retrofit our thruster, just because you're designing kind of backwards, you wouldn't be able to take advantage of a lot of some of the things that our thruster can do for that vehicle just because of
00:36:51 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
weight and balance and how things are positioned in the vehicle and whatnot.
00:36:54 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So each vehicle is different, but it can be retrofitted and take advantage of the hovering and a lot of the other capabilities.
00:37:01 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So that's like individually customizing a thruster to a third-party vehicle is our fastest way to get these things in the field.
00:37:10 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And right now, the ocean's
00:37:13 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Can't wait another day.
00:37:14 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
The faster we can get tech in people's hands and out there, the better it is as far as we're concerned.
00:37:20 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We want to fast track best if we can.
00:37:22 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So that is our focus.
00:37:24 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
As far as a fleet of vehicles, we're aiming, I want to say, 12, 18 months to have our first tranche of vehicles in running.
00:37:31 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And that may be a hybrid of a third party manufacturer with our thruster on it.
00:37:36 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
That's what it's looking as we develop our system around our vehicle.
00:37:43 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, but I think that's an incredibly important point as well, is it?
00:37:46 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Your thruster can be applied to other platforms, actually kind of breathe, breathe new light into them.
00:37:51 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
That means that, again.
00:37:53 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It can be built for small, tiny systems.
00:37:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It can be built big.
00:37:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We're focused on man-launchable 300 meter, maybe 400 meter systems, but it can be built in.
00:38:01 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We're looking at larger systems with the Navy already that can go much deeper, have, you know, they do it in diameters, 12 inch diameter, but it's, you know, it's
00:38:13 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
size of a torpedo, basically.
00:38:14 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And you've got basically you can stay out for days.
00:38:19 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You can go out and come back and do a full survey and be gone for two, three days.
00:38:24 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Systems we're working with now in the Pacific.
00:38:27 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we're actually doing using third party systems that are conventional systems with propellers and rudders on our projects in the Pacific.
00:38:39 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, fascinating.
00:38:41 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Brilliant.
00:38:42 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Well,
00:38:43 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I mean, that's actually one of the things I was really quite keen to talk about actually in the next question.
00:38:49 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
So which mission types from your background and obviously from developing the platform have been the most transformative and I guess which one has had the most impactful change on how it's developed and obviously yourself as well.
00:39:09 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I'm really keen to hear about that.
00:39:11 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Well, we'll stick with the autonomous vehicle missions, but suffice to say I've had a lifetime of missions from the diving and whatnot, and I'm really the Last Fifty Two Project is a project that my wife and I started, basically, before we were married.
00:39:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I feel fortunate to be able to work with her again on a project, because she came from the Arctic exploration and deep water rebreather mixed gas diving as an expeditionary business, which...
00:39:45 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And I've worked with her on some of her projects.
00:39:47 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
She's taken me to the Arctic as one of her photographers when she's doing a high Arctic expedition.
00:39:52 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So I got to see a little bit of her world.
00:39:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we are in the same industry, but we kind of do different things, although we come together and work together from time to time.
00:40:01 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But the Last 52 project was kind of born out of us taking one of our early autonomous vehicles.
00:40:08 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And
00:40:09 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Her company was diving deep wrecks and I'm doing support.
00:40:12 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
When I say deep, you're 100 meters.
00:40:14 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
If I go feet, we're 250 feet to 350 feet.
00:40:18 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I think the deepest pushing close to 400 feet feet.
00:40:22 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So 100 meters, a little over 120 meters maybe.
00:40:32 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
There was a submarine that was lost in World War II out deeper water, 600 feet or so.
00:40:36 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
No one had ever found it.
00:40:38 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we took advantage of it and we went and we found it.
00:40:40 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And it got us kind of started on this amazing journey of, I got interested in it.
00:40:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We had autonomous vehicles.
00:40:48 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
My dad was fought in the invasion of Okinawa in World War II.
00:40:53 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So the...
00:40:56 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
the submarines became interesting because maybe I could go find a few of these.
00:40:59 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Didn't give it a lot of thought, but I armchair, did some research, put it all together.
00:41:04 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And then in the meantime, Christine and I went in our discovery of the R-12, which was the first submarine we discovered.
00:41:10 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we got international acclaim for that because there were two Brazilian officers on board.
00:41:14 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
This is very rare.
00:41:16 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They were training on board.
00:41:18 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So the Brazilian
00:41:20 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Navy gave, made us honorary submariners and they gave us, the Brazilian Navy League made us, gave us the Medal of Honor.
00:41:28 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And so we got some notoriety for that.
00:41:31 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And I had an opportunity to go to the Caribbean and the Pacific and look for another one.
00:41:35 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And I found it conventionally.
00:41:39 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And so Christine and I put a little documentary together on the I-12.
00:41:43 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We met some of the families.
00:41:45 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They did a little reunion.
00:41:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we just did like a 20-minute film that was more of a presentation because we wanted to tell the story of the R-12.
00:41:54 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And that got the attention of, I think I was doing a keynote in New Orleans at one of the trade shows of Paul Allen's team.
00:42:01 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So Paul Allen's team looked to fund us.
00:42:05 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They went a different way by putting all their equipment on a research ship.
00:42:09 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But eventually we got funding with a group
00:42:14 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
of entrepreneurial gentlemen in New Orleans that were buying the World War II Museum.
00:42:20 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So I was able to put an investment team together myself, and it's different than building a business.
00:42:28 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's a passion.
00:42:30 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It is a love, a labor of love, working and making this happen.
00:42:36 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And it's not, I would say,
00:42:41 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
people that help fund this type of operation are looking for legacy.
00:42:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
The kind of people that put their name on the museum kind of thing.
00:42:49 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And so when you pivot to running a business of building like I'm building now, it's a whole different group of people you're dealing with.
00:42:56 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
The ROI, the return on investment, is different.
00:42:58 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
One is legacy, the other one is bottom line of building a business and making profit.
00:43:04 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we get to wear both hats.
00:43:06 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But it is a
00:43:10 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It is a unique search and focus on the US lost subs, which were 52 of them.
00:43:17 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Okay, so, and along with that comes dealing with families.
00:43:22 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And Christine leads that part of the operation.
00:43:27 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And it is a very sensitive area.
00:43:30 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
These people that went missing 80 years ago are
00:43:35 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
are still missing.
00:43:36 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They don't have a grave.
00:43:38 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They just got a report and they got a telegraph, a telegram saying they were missing.
00:43:43 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And there were children who always thought their whole lives their dad would walk in one day because he was missing.
00:43:50 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
He wasn't gone.
00:43:51 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
He wasn't dead.
00:43:51 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So it's, but it is, essentially we've been very successful.
00:43:58 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We've got, I want to say 8 discoveries to date.
00:44:02 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We've got, and it's only been, I think we've got over 50% of the ones that have been discovered to date that are discoverable.
00:44:09 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
There's a few that aren't, they were scrapped or run up on a shoal and fell apart kind of thing.
00:44:18 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But I think we've got a total of 702 men that we have accounted for their last resting places.
00:44:26 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we're very proud of that.
00:44:30 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Incredible.
00:44:30 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I think it adds such a powerful dimension to the story as well because it's like you say, it's closure for those families who were always caught in that grey zone between unsure if it's lost or if it's well to expect somebody to kind of walk in.
00:44:44 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I think in some ways it's harder to deal with because you're perennially in that space of it could or it couldn't.
00:44:51 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
You don't really get a chance to close it.
00:44:52 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
So I think it's...
00:44:53 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
And I mean, it's personally one of the real human aspect of the story that I really, really love, you know, being an ex-Marines officer.
00:45:01 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I think it's important.
00:45:03 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I'm going to follow the story as it kind of evolves more.
00:45:08 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
And it's one of those applications, I think, of the, you know, this kind of, this technology that actually, you know, it spans, it can be used commercially, for defense.
00:45:19 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
for sustainability, for better understanding our ocean health, but also as well, it's got a social aspect as well.
00:45:26 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
It really presents a complete...
00:45:28 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
There's a lot on the bottom of the ocean that people don't know is there.
00:45:31 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And this is just a very good example of us going out and just making an effort to look at it.
00:45:37 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And applying the technology.
00:45:39 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Really, our secret sauce is putting robotics down that are so much more efficient, covers more ground,
00:45:48 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
In the world of towing an array, there was always what they call holidays, which are gaps in your data because it drifted one way or the other.
00:45:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And there's just no gaps in data on our systems.
00:46:00 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And so these autonomous vehicles, I guess the Lost 52 project is just an example of, we're not armchair.
00:46:11 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
draw it on a napkin.
00:46:12 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We're going to go do this.
00:46:12 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I'm out there doing this now.
00:46:16 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And using these systems, staying on the cutting edge of the equipment, working with deep water systems.
00:46:20 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
These systems are, the systems we're running right now are 4,500 meters and 6,000 meters.
00:46:25 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So it's not full ocean depth, but 6,000 meters covers a good part of it.
00:46:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And we can stay down for two days.
00:46:34 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So it launch a vehicle and then
00:46:38 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
and then follow around with a boat, or launch two vehicles, follow them around with a boat, and go play backgammon and hang out with the team.
00:46:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's a whole lot, it's let the robots do work.
00:46:49 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I mean, it's empowering humans to do more with less, and there's still some engineering, there's still tweaking on the decks, there's still some work here in the remote environment, and you got to be there.
00:46:59 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I don't see us replacing humans in the equation, I just...
00:47:03 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
smart guys that can take care of these systems and program and run them are always going to be an element.
00:47:09 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
This is not eliminating jobs, it's just, it's scaling them up.
00:47:12 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So, yeah.
00:47:15 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Kind of optimizing, yeah, 100%.
00:47:16 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, no, totally agree.
00:47:18 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Well, so I guess it does get into my kind of my penultimate question.
00:47:23 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
So, kind of going back to that, looking back to that idea of kind of democratizing access to data from the sea, you kind of kind of mentioned that
00:47:32 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I kind of hope it to be kind of accessible to developing nations and smaller coastal states, especially obviously with the direction that climate change is going into.
00:47:39 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
And I guess how do you envision that technology becoming accessible beyond traditional?
00:47:45 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's access.
00:47:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Okay, so let me just show you one analogy in this industry.
00:47:52 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I've bought these things and I've bought them from the defense contractors.
00:47:56 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And when I order them, it'll take me about 14 months to take delivery, all right?
00:48:01 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You don't go down to the showroom and pick them up.
00:48:05 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They're quite expensive.
00:48:07 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So a small little logistics system is $800 to $1,000,000.
00:48:13 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You can't just use one, because if you lose it, or it's having, if you get your customer base totally dependent on the higher quality data, which we have in the past, and you lose a machine, or you don't have access to the machine,
00:48:28 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
What do you do?
00:48:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You go back to traditional stuff.
00:48:30 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
The customer demands the newer, better stuff.
00:48:34 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So nothing's broken free on the commercial side except for deep water, hydrocarbons, oil and gas, where they have that kind of money.
00:48:42 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But on all the coastal engineering companies, every time you want to do a reach replenishment, security on wind farms, fishery studies, all that can be done robotically.
00:48:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
There's so many use cases.
00:48:58 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
explosive, underwater explosives, UXOs, ordinates, that all has to be cleared.
00:49:05 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
That all has to be done, and we're doing it with mags.
00:49:08 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We did work in Scotland on that, Moray Firth and the wind farm and Boles wind farm.
00:49:13 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So all this is robotic work, okay?
00:49:19 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And it's all smaller companies.
00:49:23 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And if they don't have access to the tech, it's never, ever gonna catch on, all right?
00:49:27 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So
00:49:28 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So the transformative way is to put it in the hands of the people, empower them, crowdsource it, and train, support everything, de-risk it for these people, and...
00:49:45 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Going back to my early days in scuba diving, all right, Jacques Cousteau invented the aqualum, right?
00:49:52 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
People started putting masks on and going underwater, and you created a whole,
00:49:57 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
generation of people that care about the oceans, all right?
00:50:00 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Knowledge is power.
00:50:03 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Understanding and data is critical.
00:50:08 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And if you put the vehicles in the hands of, or ability for people to get it on a regular basis with support, there's no telling what someone's gonna do with it.
00:50:19 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They can go find wrecks that have never been found, like I am doing.
00:50:24 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They can go to study fisheries that haven't been studied.
00:50:27 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They can find new reefs that have never been.
00:50:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They can pull data off that will save species.
00:50:34 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They can help secure our telecommunication lines and energy lines from bad actors that you see going on.
00:50:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And all of this is in the form of governments, local governments, individuals, nonprofits, universities,
00:50:53 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Also, it's a use case, but they will make a plan to do one, a study, a long-term study, do some kind of commercial work, if they have the tools available, but I'm not going to plan a job.
00:51:05 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
If I don't have access to a hammer or a saw, I'm not going to create a job that I need them.
00:51:11 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's...
00:51:11 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Yeah, exactly.
00:51:13 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I know the tools available, it's going to be groundbreaking.
00:51:18 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Access is everything, right?
00:51:19 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So, access and support.
00:51:21 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So, here we go.
00:51:24 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, I can talk from personal experience as well.
00:51:27 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Like you mentioned the example there about kind of protecting these critical undersea cables and communication energy lines.
00:51:34 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
You know, we've had that experience here in the Nordic region where they've been cut purposely or not of what's going on in the world.
00:51:45 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
So yeah.
00:51:46 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I think we would definitely prefer them not to be.
00:51:48 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
No, How those telecommunications lines keep in place.
00:51:51 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You want great analysis, compared to space and satellites and technology and communications arrays.
00:51:58 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And I mean, the underwater industry so much is shared with space or vice versa.
00:52:07 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I mean, even the submariners that the World War Two were kind of the first
00:52:12 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
people that were venturing out for, they were gone for months to 60 days on a platform that lived in another environment underwater, had to scrub their own air.
00:52:24 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They had to live like they were in a space ship, right?
00:52:28 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They had to go thousands of miles away from home.
00:52:33 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
If it broke, they had to fix it themselves to get home, any which way.
00:52:38 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And
00:52:39 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
they had the added feature of being hunted.
00:52:43 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So, if you're on...
00:52:44 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I was going to say, because it.
00:52:47 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Wasn't hunt enough already?
00:52:48 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Astronauts up to work in space, in the space station, and have people shooting at them.
00:52:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
But a lot of the technology, a lot of the scrubbing, the sonars, the extended...
00:53:02 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I mean, early in the space program, they were sticking people underwater to see how they would live in a confined environment like that as testing, because they didn't know what would happen in space.
00:53:11 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So there's a lot of synergy in both the underwater exploration, and don't even get me started on exploring the moons in our own solar system that have oceans.
00:53:22 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's like, man, it's all going to be done here first with robotics and perfected.
00:53:28 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
and transported there, and they're working on that as well, so.
00:53:32 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Completely.
00:53:33 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Cool stuff.
00:53:34 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, brilliant.
00:53:36 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Well, I always have been chatting for quite a while now, so I'll pose the final question if that's okay.
00:53:42 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
And that is just a very general kind of, how do you see the technology in the company evolving over the next five to 10 years, and please feel free to go as a
00:53:51 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
As far out as they do.
00:53:52 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Well, I mean, I've covered a lot in this.
00:53:55 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I see that if we can unleash access, there's so many people are going to come up with use cases and/or new technologies and payloads to go on these robotics.
00:54:07 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
All we're building right now is a vehicle that can go there, right?
00:54:11 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
What you study is called a payload.
00:54:14 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Payloads...
00:54:16 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You build an iPhone or you build an Android phone and it's great, it's a phone, but the app is what does the work, right?
00:54:22 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So if we build a great platform and access that platform, what kind of apps are going to come up?
00:54:27 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
What are people going to think of to evolve and do?
00:54:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
What are they going to study that they couldn't study before?
00:54:31 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And it may not be some groundbreaking giant study that costs millions of dollars.
00:54:35 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It may just be a PhD student that needs to go out for 60 days or 90 days or maybe two years and collect a certain amount of data on a certain thing that will make them understand that species or that problem.
00:54:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
so much more, but they have access to a tech payload or a payload, or they create a payload that we can carry for them.
00:54:54 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And they don't have to invest millions to build a vehicle or buy a vehicle.
00:54:59 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They'll have access, and access is key.
00:55:00 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So we see building a network of affiliates and people that have access to this, the best of class, involving those payloads, options, coming up with new use case scenarios, and then expanding
00:55:15 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
and keeping this technology up to date and relevant and not have it age out.
00:55:23 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Like airplanes, right?
00:55:25 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
You fly an airplane that's 20 years old, it's not the same engine that was on it when they built it.
00:55:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's not the same navigation equipment that's on it when they built it.
00:55:32 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
They maintain it, they keep it up, they keep it accessible, and you're getting the best data, the most accurate data with that tool.
00:55:39 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
The latency and adopting
00:55:41 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
the newest technology is minimized.
00:55:44 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Let's put it that way.
00:55:44 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
There's always going to be something new cutting edge, but we can be testing that for people as well.
00:55:50 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We can help develop payloads with people that incubate payloads with our systems because we will have enough vehicles to be able to help people develop.
00:56:02 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's exciting.
00:56:04 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Wow.
00:56:04 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I mean, it really is.
00:56:07 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
In some sense, it's almost
00:56:10 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Less of a platform, but actually more of a tool to help kind of really open up that access to those underwater environments.
00:56:16 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Listen, I've been doing this exploration all our lives.
00:56:21 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We want to empower the next generation to be able to do it.
00:56:24 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We want to give them the opportunity to have access to these tools.
00:56:29 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And this is one of the things we can do.
00:56:33 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
I'm not going to find all the last 52 submarines.
00:56:36 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It is a noble goal, but there's a lot of ocean out there.
00:56:40 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
There's a lot of people out there that can go find them and they are.
00:56:44 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Since we started this, there's been several discoveries with other groups that have found, you know, a couple of the subs in shallower water.
00:56:52 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We're focused deep, so the shallow, shallow, you know, 70 meters or something like that, 80 meters.
00:56:59 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So it is that future looking
00:57:06 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
a legacy of providing more tools.
00:57:11 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's the aqua lung for the next generation.
00:57:14 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
We've got to get robots in the hands of people that can go out and ask questions and the robots can help answer them.
00:57:21 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's a cold new one.
00:57:22 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Brilliant.
00:57:22 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
An absolutely fantastic place to end it there as well.
00:57:26 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
It's the aqua lung for the next generation.
00:57:28 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I think that's such a good way of putting it.
00:57:32 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Fantastic.
00:57:32 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Well,
00:57:33 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Tim, thank you so much for chatting to me.
00:57:36 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
It's been an absolutely fascinating hour and insight into this brilliant technology and really fascinating world because there's so many different things and avenues I could see it just taking off in, especially with the space environments and saying more about the planet that we live on here in the first place, the defence applications,
00:58:00 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Science applications, yeah, it's fascinating.
00:58:02 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
I could talk.
00:58:03 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Yeah, no, It's fun.
00:58:06 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
It's a vehicle on board and looking at the data that comes up is so, you know, it's so great to look at the things that it sees.
00:58:16 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And whether you discover a wreck or whatever, there's a lot of bottom out there on the ocean.
00:58:21 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
There's a lot of ocean that you're seeing for the first time when you look at this stuff.
00:58:25 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
And that's where we're meant to be as explorers, looking at
00:58:30 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
new territory and understanding it and sharing it.
00:58:34 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
So that's our world.
00:58:36 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Brilliant stuff.
00:58:38 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Well, again, thank you so much again for joining us on the Mill Lux podcast and we'll leave you to the rest of your day.
00:58:44 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
Thanks again, Tim.
00:58:44 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
All right, thanks.
00:58:46 Tim Taylor, founder and CEO of Tiburon Subsea
Have a good one.
00:58:47 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
It was really great chatting with Tim and hearing more about his company's fascinating work underwater.
00:58:51 Chris Shirley MA FRGS, Website Developer, Communications Specialist and Brand Designer at Hiatus.Design, website design and brand studio
If you're going to find out more about Tiburon, check out the show notes below and we'll see you next time.
